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  How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

  by slimboyfat in

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  for jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.

  but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?

  new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.

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  I have a suspicion Ehrman is a JW. He’s definitely friendly towards and copies a lot of the whackadoodle ideas resulting from the Miller-Smith feud of the 19th century, only ceding where he would totally blow his credibility.
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  The abuse of JW org

  by wozza in

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  awhile ago i said on here i would like to show how wrong the jehovahs witness organisation is , in that they will not accept the testimony of a victim of sexual crime where the victim has no other witnesses to the crime.

  i faced this with helping my ex wife for about 15 years in exposing her father , an elder, to the jw org.

  his raping of her over years and they believed him.. so therefore the perpetrator knowing of the organisations stance can easily deny and therefore be free to pretend to serve as an innocent jw still mixing with the congregation ,and also i have witnessed an accused perpetrator of child molestation witnessing at my next door neighbors house in field service with a child of another family even though the elders knew of the accusations against him.

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  @Stephane: The elders aren't capable, either physically, legally or competently to collect the necessary evidence. You can often collect sufficient evidence from a single witness testimony to convict in criminal court (beyond a reasonable doubt), the problem is that they do not give the opportunity to victims, parents and others for a competent investigator to do this. Do you really want two window washers to handle your DNA evidence or do a rape kit? If you think it is traumatic now dealing with a JC, imagine the elders swabbing some young girl for evidence.
  
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  Do children still get destroyed at Armageddon?

  by Anony Mous in

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  2. scandals

  i know back in the day, that was taught, that if the parents were going to be destroyed, so would the children.

  i just can't easily find reference to anything.

  this thinking has been used to justify some egregious behavior towards children and their parents such as exclusion of children from jw family - why worry, the end is near, all will work itself out then - the end didn't come though.

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  I know back in the day, that was taught, that if the parents were going to be destroyed, so would the children. I just can't easily find reference to anything. This thinking has been used to justify some egregious behavior towards children and their parents such as exclusion of children from JW family - why worry, the end is near, all will work itself out then - the end didn't come though.

  How would that work if the parents are divorced and one remains a JW but does not have knowledge/custody of the child - would a kid suddenly be popped into the arms of another parent. How about the grandparents or other family, could they suddenly have their household grown by a half dozen kids? What about the emotional damage that comes with that?

  I know again, back in the day, it was explained to me that Jehovah would simply erase the memory of the "bad things", but that seems even more crazy, especially given the footprint children and people leave behind. Why would you not rebel in the 1000 years of purification, would you want to live knowing your life was a lie? Everyone else has 2 parents, but you have just 1 or none at all, logically speaking, you would have to find out that there were 'some' that were erased, who were they, what were they like, what did they do wrong. Or perhaps you can't think those thoughts and won't have free will to ask questions. Paradise seems closer to George Orwell's 1984.
  

  These things are so messed up if you think about them.
  
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  Changing the Date of the Memorial?

  by KalebOutWest in

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  i noticed in the latest memorial invitation, the dates for the observance are odd--well far more odd than usual.. what i mean is that forever as i can remember, jehovah's witnesses use to advertise really big that this was nisan 14. they don't tend to do this anymore.. and being jewish, their dates now tend to align with passover, or at least with the second seder night of passover.. 2025: saturday, april 12 (nisan 15).

  2026: thursday, april 2 (nisan 15/16).

  2027: monday, march 22 (nisan 15/16).

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  @Duran: As previously pointed out: The day is close (off by one) this year, but on other years it has diverged as much as 10 days (the accumulated error on the lunar cycle could be up to 11 days per year I believe).

  Nisan 14 will have ended on the night of Saturday, April 12, 2025, the memorial is supposed to take place at the beginning of that day? Saturday April 12 after sundown is Nisan 15.
  
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  Changing the Date of the Memorial?

  by KalebOutWest in

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  2. beliefs

  i noticed in the latest memorial invitation, the dates for the observance are odd--well far more odd than usual.. what i mean is that forever as i can remember, jehovah's witnesses use to advertise really big that this was nisan 14. they don't tend to do this anymore.. and being jewish, their dates now tend to align with passover, or at least with the second seder night of passover.. 2025: saturday, april 12 (nisan 15).

  2026: thursday, april 2 (nisan 15/16).

  2027: monday, march 22 (nisan 15/16).

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  They’re basically using the Gregorian calendar of when the equinox happens and then adjusting that for the lunar cycle.

  It is ‘a’ calendar that nobody uses because it is very complex, not impossible to calculate because it is still astronomical, but not something that is easily understood as the other systems that are purely lunar cycle or solar.

  The error shifts the day around in the season so the day will appear to jump around, very bad for an agricultural society that needs to plan crops around holidays.
  
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  Changing the Date of the Memorial?

  by KalebOutWest in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i noticed in the latest memorial invitation, the dates for the observance are odd--well far more odd than usual.. what i mean is that forever as i can remember, jehovah's witnesses use to advertise really big that this was nisan 14. they don't tend to do this anymore.. and being jewish, their dates now tend to align with passover, or at least with the second seder night of passover.. 2025: saturday, april 12 (nisan 15).

  2026: thursday, april 2 (nisan 15/16).

  2027: monday, march 22 (nisan 15/16).

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  @Kaleb, you are correct, I verified the calculation and the JWs forgot about the leap year. The other calculations are also correct, the Jewish calendar is not lunar or solar, it is lunisolar. I don’t know how the JWs got to their calculations, but they are off for no reason I can find.

  The Metonic cycle was in use during the Second Temple (invented by the Greeks a few hundred years BC) is still in use today by both the Jews and Buddhist, Islam uses a lunar calendar and because in Islam any writings are infallible, it no longer keeps track of the solar system.

  The problem if they are going to use a strict lunar system as they claim by astronomical observation of the number of months (although the equinox is related to the sun) and not use leap years, the memorial will have to shift slowly over 33 years and coinciding with the Jewish calendar will happen once every 33 years. However this is not how they calculate, they use a solar calendar with astronomical observation of the lunar cycle, basically, had the ancients done this, they’d be inserting random leap days every year. It would be extremely difficult to calculate anything anywhere in the future without a modern computer, as the earth’s solar equinox drifting wouldn’t be established for over a thousand years. You can’t just decree a new calculation every so often.
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  Will Elon Musk help to reopen the IICSA enquiry in Britain?

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/iur3xnyae3m?si=efr0nsv54atghmi_.

  the uk’s independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) was supposed to be a moment of national reckoning — a deep dive into how major institutions, including religious organizations, failed to protect children.

  it started in 2015 and concluded in 2022 and it was meant to be a bold stand against corruption, secrecy, and systemic abuse.

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  A broad inquiry into matters where people can air their grievances but there are insufficient resources to take care of the matters does not help anyone.

  Here are the laws that need to change to stop the violence:

  - Allow people the chance to self-defense. Gangs and violence are prevalent where citizens are too scared, police is non-responsive and people don’t have the means to defend themselves. Try that in a small town, as some may say. The UK has an atrocious 14 hour average response time to these kinds of calls, people need the tools to take care of themselves and their neighbors, you only win if you match or escalate to the level of the offender.

  - Strict reporting laws with stiff sentences for non-conformance. Make every adult that is aware of a crime liable if they do not report, enhanced sentences and personal liability for those in a position of power such as parents, community leaders, teachers, doctors etc.

  - Set up a blockchain ledger for de-identified reporting of suspected victims and their suspected offenders across organizations. If a de-identifier matches a prior report, the submitter must report non-anonymous to a police.

  - Abolish NHS. As with the above, don’t allow doctors and case workers to hide behind stacks of work and state immunity. The NHS funding model has failed, you cannot centrally decide that these cases should not receive sufficient funding because the budget is too bare. Put the money people currently put in the system into private care and as with the above, make that company directly liable.

  - Sex offender lists similar to the US - you can be permanently put on the list and depending on your offense are excluded from certain jobs, houses and physical areas like schools and must proactively self-identify. The list must be publicly accessible.

  - Strict requirements on people that work with children and people with leadership positions. In the US many churches use the following requirements: anyone in any position where they may be assigned to interact with families (deacon, assistants …) must disclose criminal background and not appear on any sex offender list, people that will be assigned to work with children directly (caretakers, teachers, pastors) must additionally have a clean criminal background and complete an FBI child offender check (which includes fingerprinting). The current best practice is for adults to be at least ‘2 deep’ if ANY parents are not going to be present.
  
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  JWhub

  by Mikejw in

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  2. beliefs

  i’m an elder who is pima, i’m amazed how much info is available to all elders.

  you can see all private details of every member of the congregation.

  i wonder how these sisters feel about their private details being available to these creepy elders?.

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  @FFGhost - I’m not an alias, but back in the day I published some letters from a few different subject JCs here, so you know I’m legit and yes, those documents were kept digitally and yes, any elder in the congregation had access. Before that they were kept in large drawers full of documents in the library, again, any elder could access, even some MS got access if the BOE weren’t careful.

  There was a computer in the library of the KH and I retrieved a number of things after an elder failed (or didn’t know how) to log out.

  I understand that now they are told not to keep documents at the KH anymore and elders should not use the KH computer for this kind of business at all. And yes, your documents travelled with you if you moved to a different congregation.

  I left too far ago, it wasn’t called JWHub back then. I found login.jwpub.org through JWEvent.org if anyone in a non-extradition country wants to take a stab at seeing what is behind the login.
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  How are new Servants and Elders appointed?

  by no-zombie in

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  2. beliefs

  now that we have the tick-a-box field service reporting method, how are brothers measured fit for an appointment as a ms or elder?

  has there been clarification in any of the recent elders schools or in meetings with the co?.

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  From what I hear these days the questions are: do you have a dick, are you an adult, do you want to do the work. They are seriously short in many congregations and they are burning through those they can coerce into picking up a torch, and once completely burned out, they are practically ‘marked’ for daring to give up the thankless job. In many congregations, sisters are now doing the mikes.
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  Age Appropriate Friends

  by Riley in

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  2. friends

  we have a 25 year guy in our hall who is also a pioneer (which means he lives off his parents money), who likes to spend a lot of time with a 16 year old girl in the hall.

  it is usually in a group setting but he seems to gravitate toward her.

  he even has her auxilary pioneering , which is something i don't think any student trying to make the grades needs.

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  The elders won’t do anything, if you suspect there is abuse going on, report to the police naming the suspect. Other than that, it is up to her parents, talk to them before it becomes a police report.